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carbonwater

Brawl predictions

Posted by carbonwater Jan. 13, 2008 @ 12:38 PM EST

Now for this, i'm actually thinking about this logically, i'm not just going to pull out characters left and right from any popular franchise.

CHARACTERS

NEWCOMERS

Balloon Fighter
Ah, good old Balloon Fight, I remember the good old days when I used to play it for hours and hours. Nintendo seems to have not forgotten about their old franchises adding in such characters as the Ice Climbers and Pit. I couldn't think of any other worthy 8-bit character.

Mega Man
Ah, I know you're going to be like "NO WAI MIGA MNA KAN B IN THIS". But i'd like to say this is a MAYBE. Two third party characters are already in and IF another third party character would be in it would be him.
And i'm talking about the original Mega Man by the way, not any of that X, Legends, Battle Network and Star Force crap.

King K. Rool
The big bad guy of the land of Donkey Kong, not always under his casual name but he's still the guy that you fight at the end.

Black Shadow
Now I would of picked Samurai Goroh as the next playable character from F-Zero. But now that he an assist trophy i'm going to have to go with the next logical choice.

Cel-shaded Link
You know the version of Link from Windwaker and Phantom Hourglass? Yeah, him.
Basically the way I see it they'll throw him in instead of Young Link, with a brand new moveset.

VETERANS
I'm just gonna list them, with new movesets or not. Why they're there is pretty obvious.

Luigi.
Captain Falcon.
Ness.
Jigglypuff (I hate Jigglypuff as a character, but never the less i've got a feeling it will return).
Ganondorf.
Mr. Game & Watch.
Sheik (as a separate character or Zelda's B+down).

BOSSES
Non-playable bosses that i'll think you'll encounter during The Subspace Emissary.

Ridley
Now a lot of people think that Ridley would make an awesome playable character, and i'd have to agree with them. But as I think logically about this i'd say he'd serve better as a boss then a character.

Liquid Snake
Whether you fight him as he is, or fight him in Metal Gear REX, I know he's gonna be in there somewhere.

Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik
Think about it, who's that guy that Sonic's always trying to stop in almost every single adventure? That's right.

So those are my predictions.
If i'm right, that's cool. If i'm wrong, that's cool too. Just putting my thoughts out there.

Edit:
I was right about Sheik, hahaha suck my dick.

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Jan. 13, 2008 | 12:40 PM Mad-Mardigan says:

Skate from Streets of Rage
Trust me

Jan. 13, 2008 | 12:48 PM carbonwater responds:

Considering it's a Sega game.
They've already got their guy in there.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 12:49 PM Ragnarokia says:

Oh Liquid Snake would be an amazing character to go in that game he is amazing.
Also Riley I would love to see.

This game is going to be amazing.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 12:50 PM retyuoligkl says:

All i know is brawl will kick ass, even though i have a ps3.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:18 PM Moomoofoot says:

Ehh..Considering they've allready got 24 characters they're pretty much done. Most likely they'll throw in four or five characters and no more. Balloon Fighter was really old, but i don't think they'll put him in. He doesn't really have a move to base off of, unlike Captain Falcon (who had falcon punch in the anime.) Same goes for the others, and Black Shadow will probably be a clone.

For the veterans, Ness is probably going to be replaced by Lucas. Luigi, Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff have a chance. I too, feel those three are going to be in.

Your bosses make alot of sense. Ridley would defenitley serve as a fun boss to go agaisnt. Who doesn't love flying bosses? Liquid Snake. Another must. And who doesn't love Stealth bosses? Robotinik.. Well, you know. Who doesn't love machine swapping bosses. My guess is he'll be in different machines in different areas. GO BRAWL!

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:21 PM carbonwater responds:

I think you are not quite thinking outside the box with the amount of characters that are going to be in this game.
I'd say it's going to be close to 50, they haven't even got around to announcing the secret characters yet.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:18 PM NMyoshi says:

Well actually, Ness is leaving. Lucas is proof of that. Sakurai said he would remove clones, and Lucas has a very similar moveset to Lucas. I'm putting my money on his leaving. Also, since Roy was simply put in for advertisement reasons, and he is a clone of Marth, he should be going. Marth may return because it's been revealed that Ike is a totally different character-type with a completely differen t moveset. I see you didn't include either.
While nothing is straight-down confirmed, there's been talk from the developers about how they love Sheik's Twilight-Princess style render. I hate sheik, but she's pretty much returning.
Just thought I'd share my thoughts.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:23 PM carbonwater responds:

A lot of people are saying that Ness will be a no show, but i've got hopes that he'll return with a brand new moveset.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:20 PM Meebs says:

^^ I'm happy that you said that.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:24 PM carbonwater responds:

Okay.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:29 PM Moomoofoot says:

FIFTY!? ARE YOU CRAZY!? Have you even looked at the Character Selection Screen?

Look how tiny that is! Melee didn't even have Fifty. And the Secret Characters we're shown and confirmed, but not known how to unlock them. Melee had 30 (i think) anyways.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:39 PM carbonwater responds:

It can be done.
Mortal Kombat Armageddon, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, they both had shitloads of characters.

It's also a domino effect.
The original Smash Bros had 12 playable characters, Melee had 25 which is basically double. And what's 25 plus 25, that's right 50.

Plus, on the old Super Smash Bros. Melee website they didn't start announcing locked characters until after the game was released. Same would happen here.

I know what i'm talking about.

Updated: Jan. 13, 2008, 1:41 PM

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:33 PM Hashpipe says:

Sheik was already shown, i don't remember the site but it's one dedicated to Brawl. I believe it was shown at JumpFiesta.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:39 PM carbonwater responds:

Pics plz.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:33 PM KwikToon says:

Bowser
Captain Falcon
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Dr. Mario
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Ike
Jigglypuff
King Dedede
Kirby
Link
Lucas
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Meta Knight
Mewtwo
Mr. Game & Watch
Ness
Peach
Pichu
Pikachu
Pikmin & Olimar
Pit
Pokémon Trainer
Roy
Samus
Sheik
Snake
Sonic
Wario
Yoshi
Young
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus

The mystery is over, I just told you every character that will be in it.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:46 PM carbonwater responds:

Wow, you just went to Wikipedia and copyed the character list.
You must feel so proud.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:37 PM Moomoofoot says:

Heres all the proof you need. Look at that tiny screen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9612u _snc0

Theres no way they're going to merge Melee with newcomers. Undoubtly, they are going to kick some characters... Theres too many characters! Ahh! OVERFLOW!

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:43 PM carbonwater responds:

That was a demo of the game, lol.
The real character screen could change drastically.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:46 PM Moomoofoot says:

Ah. Carbonwater..have you ever noticed that Mortal Kombat Armageddon / Marvel vs Capcom 2 WAS NOT FOUR PLAYER!?

Both of them were TWO player. Brawl is FOUR player. Think, Marvel vs Capcom 2. Fifty characters. Except with FOUR selectors. Everything would be SQUASHED.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:47 PM carbonwater responds:

Says you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b Zpiw1CPNw&feature=related
This is more what I was thinking, just add 8 more boxes.

Updated: Jan. 13, 2008, 1:51 PM

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:52 PM Moomoofoot says:

Im not going to back down just yet. And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b Zpiw1CPNw&feature=related turned out to be a malformed video ID. What the?

Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:54 PM carbonwater responds:

Get rid of the space after 4b.
Newgrounds auto adds it in for some reason.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 1:57 PM Moomoofoot says:

'That was a demo of the game, lol.
The real character screen could change drastically.'.

Oh really? 24 characters is alot. They're pretty much near finished you know. Besides. Check out www.brawlcentral.com. They get translations from Whobby 2008 (People who host a tournament in Japan every day.) and then, translate them to real info. Japan's brawl releases on the 24th (Janurary), and its getting nearer and nearer to the 24th. I don't they're going to totally change the real character selection screen into hardcore black or something.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:06 PM carbonwater responds:

They have finished the game anyway, they just didn't want it to clash with sales of Super Mario Galaxy.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:08 PM Moomoofoot says:

So does this mean i win?

Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:09 PM carbonwater responds:

I was going to on about some giant rant, but it's just not worth it.
If you're not going to give up I might as well not bother.

I still say you're wrong though.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:17 PM Moomoofoot says:

-sigh-
I might as well give up too. We can only wait and see.
But i still think im right. :P


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:19 PM Dazmi says:

Mostly all of these characters won't be in the game.
(Ballon FIght? Come on!)

Well, check it out! :D
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/charac ters/index.html

Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:22 PM carbonwater responds:

Durr.
I only go to the site like every day.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:29 PM LtMcMuffin says:

You forget my old prediction: Resident Evil 4's Dr. Salvador (http://ltmcmuffin.newgrounds.com/news /post/6924)
And there will be an enormous amount, MooMooFoot. They won't show and confirm all characters in advance! What's his name of SmashBros.com said that they worried online play would be ruining the surprise of unlockable characters (they allowed it anyway)... but this implies he is worried hidden characters will be discovered before one has the chance to unlock them, meaning he won't announce everything.
Glad I found someone else who checks the site religiously haha ^^
I always wanted a Majora's Mask link. One whose Down B would let him transform between Deku, Goron, or Zora... it would kick ass but I doubt it will ever happen.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:32 PM carbonwater responds:

I doubt that also.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:42 PM Snapester says:

I would like to see E. Gadd from Luigi's Mansion. I think he would be rather good in it. I think the Pikmin characters will be good aswell.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:52 PM carbonwater responds:

Pikmin and Olimar were announced not too long ago.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:44 PM afrodave says:

They're going to push back the date again. There's no way they'll get everything done by Feb.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:53 PM carbonwater responds:

The game's finished.
The only reason they pushed back the date is so it wouldn't clash with Super Mario Galaxy sales.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 2:45 PM almightyEAL says:

I stopped going to dojo when they announced snakes final smash


Jan. 13, 2008 | 3:18 PM test-object says:

1. Robotnik is so much better then the moronic "Eggman" name...
2. Balloon Fighter might be better of as an AT.
3. Tails and Knuckles as ATs, and we get a Paper Mario stage.

Sometimes, I doubt if my life is interesting...


Jan. 13, 2008 | 3:29 PM Sonucais says:

My prediction is Carbonwater.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:04 PM carbonwater responds:

Nah, he's way too awesome to make the cut.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 3:37 PM peterf1 says:

They're using twilight princess Zelda, so I don't think sheik will appear, especially considering that zero suit samus is pretty much a replacement (whip, agile, chargeable projectile attack, etc.)

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:05 PM carbonwater responds:

You never know.
Nintendo may want to keep Zelda's moveset and design Sheik as if she were in Twighlight Princess.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 3:40 PM Psi43 says:

jigglypuff is a great character fu. I used him (or her.. or it) as a sandbag. His/Her/Its stats say that he lost 1045 times. I used to be quite a player back in 03.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:06 PM carbonwater responds:

I just hate Jigglypuff 'cause it's so slow.
Gotta be the slowest runner in Melee.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 4:10 PM MysticShinHanKu says:

Jigglypuff was actually a really powerful character. A lot of people will be let down if she's not in.

Sheik definitely not. All time most cheap. You don't have to be good to win with her. Also, she can't be Twilight Princess Zelda's b-down...it's two separate people. It would never work. I want them to retry ganondorf, not as a falcon clone with new moves and his twlight Princess look. Game and watch, idc, I don't want him, wasn't that great in Melee, not many people loved him.

can't wait for this game, less than a month away!

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:07 PM carbonwater responds:

Game & Watch wasn't that good to play as, but he was great because he was so unique.

Updated: Jan. 13, 2008, 11:08 PM

Jan. 13, 2008 | 4:21 PM MERFdaCOW says:

Since they already have Sonic, Knuckles would be cool. But he probably won't make it. I agrey with the robotnik thing. But balloon fighters probably won't happen. Also Lil'mac and Exite bike deserve to be full chactors not assist.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:14 PM carbonwater responds:

Yeah, I doubt Knuckles and the rest of the Sega crew wouldn't be playable. But there's a very possible chance they will appear as assist trophys.
We've already seen Grey Fox appear as a third party assist trophy.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 4:32 PM DemitriousDoom says:

I heard there were going to be a shit load of characters. lol. I always felt so...optionless when it came to the characters on Melee, and it's be awesome to see a hell of a lot more. I'm glad Sonic's in it though. (STFU, furry haters!) As well as Snake. I think Olimar and Pokemon Trainer's gonna be confusing though. And yeah, I agree that they haven't listed the secret characters. I mean what's the point of calling them secret characters if we're TOLD what they are? Lol. Anywway, I agree with your predictions. Especially with Liquid being a boss. It'd feel so right.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:17 PM carbonwater responds:

Awesome.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 4:38 PM Aeonstars says:

If they create a character model for a boss battle, why wouldn't they just include that same character in the game? It would require almost no effort. Master Hand would be the exception of course.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:19 PM carbonwater responds:

Because bosses are much stronger then regular characters, that's the whole point of them being bosses.

No doubt that hackers will just make an action replay for the game so you can play as them anyway.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 5:50 PM Egoraptor says:

lmao

Brawl Dev: Hey Sakurai, we really want to add in these characters, I think people would enjoy them a lot.

Sakurai: Can't do it.

Brawl Dev: Why not?

Sakurai: The character select screen can't handle them.

Brawl Dev: WOOOAH. I completely forgot about the CHARACTER SELECT SCREEN. It's SOOO important to the fun of the game. I mean, I had great ideas for these extra 10 or so characters, but we can't compromise the quality and consistency of the CHARACTER SELECT SCREEN. It simple couldn't HANDLE 50 or so characters.

Sakurai: That's exactly what I was thinking. I guess people won't be seeing Mega Man and WindWaker Link this time around.

Brawl Dev: Rightfully so, boss.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:20 PM carbonwater responds:

Your TV asplode.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 5:55 PM metroidhunter8 says:

pretty neat predictions there....though i do have one problem with it
you said Ness would probably be in, but on the Brawl website, they state explicitly enough that Ness will not be in Brawl

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:22 PM carbonwater responds:

"While he is timid in nature, he fights splendidly. Is it possible he can surpass even Ness?!"

If anything that's confirming Ness even more.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 7:35 PM KwikToon says:

"Wow, you just went to Wikipedia and copyed the character list.
You must feel so proud."

That's exactly what I did.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:23 PM carbonwater responds:

That's exactly why I said that.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 8:16 PM eyerecon says:

they'd be more likely to add samarai goro as a player but he's a A.S. They wont put in mewtwo or pichu like u said because their from older movies and stuff. Luigi would work because instead of the F.L.U.DD he'd have a vacume. Ganondorf wouldn't be a clone and his final smash would be ganon.

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:24 PM carbonwater responds:

My thoughts exactly.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 8:20 PM eyerecon says:

they'd be more likely to add samarai goro as a player but he's a A.S. They wont put in mewtwo or pichu like u said because their from older movies and stuff. Luigi would work because instead of the F.L.U.DD he'd have a vacume. Ganondorf wouldn't be a clone and his final smash would be ganon. I'm look at the site every day too and I play melee after that (yes i have a lot of spare time.).

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:25 PM carbonwater responds:

Double post.


Jan. 13, 2008 | 10:21 PM hiaman says:

my prediction is definitely paper mario (not the new one from super paper mario the other one) he would have a completely different moveset with his numerous hammer techniques and spring jump, but anyhow you're right im sure your predictions will become true (or most of them)

Jan. 13, 2008 | 11:27 PM carbonwater responds:

Hmm, I dunno about Paper Mario.
True that he would have a whole new moveset, but when it comes right down to it he's still Mario.


Jan. 14, 2008 | 1:56 AM Cyberoth1337 says:

Balloon Fighter seems like a better AT than playable. I would like to see more Earthbound and Fire Emblem characters in Brawl. If you can have a Mario v Bowser, a Link v Ganondorf, and a Kirby v Dedede, what's stopping you from having an Ike v Black Knight? And a Heavily Armed Pokey would be an awesome boss fight. Liquid would have to be in REX or he'd be a Snake alternate costume. Back to Earthbound, I would LOVE to see Paula and Poo in Brawl (even as an alt costume for Ness or Lucas) and if Jeff were playable, I would crap my pants, take a picture, and put it on the internet. No arguement over your boss fight and returning veteran picks. And although I would prefer Bomberman over Megaman in Brawl, putting the Blue Bomber in Brawl would fail to disappoint me.


Jan. 14, 2008 | 2:33 AM Herano says:

What exactly is so bad about Jigglypuff? It was one of the most powerful characters in either game. And I don't understand how Balloon Fighter can possibly be a character. The only way to make him work is to turn him into a extremely light Kirby! I highly doubt Sheik will be in it either for what I hope are obvious reasons.

By the way, thanks for giving Eggman's first name. I've been wondering that for a while.


Jan. 14, 2008 | 5:09 PM MiddleAgeGrounds says:

I agree with some of what you said, heres what

balloon fighter, no (assist trophy mybe, but not playable)

Mega Man, mixed (i never liked the thought nor fact that there will be 3rd party
stuff in Smash, but i'll not complain)

King K Rool, yes (as a boss, not playable)

Ridley, definitly (again as a boss charcter or assist trophy)

Black Shadow, yes( i'd like him more as a playable character then Goro)

Cell-Shaded Link, mixed (i think instead they should create a mode that would let you play in certain graphics like 8-bit, epic n64, cell shaded, ect)

Eggman and Liquid Snake, no (again, i don't like the third party but i'm not arguing)

My veteran list
All characters return as playable characters with their own move set ( no clones) except, get rid of Pichu, Jigglypuff and make Game and Watch a Assist trophy.

Charcters i'd like to see

Kalas-Baten Kaitos Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean (i don't necessarily deem him as third party cuz his game was only released on the gamecube)

Sagi and Guillo- Baten Kaitos Origins (Ditto)

Link able to transform into wolf

Isaac and Felix-Golden Sun series (again, only released on a nintendo system so i don't see those as third party compared to sonic and snake but hey, thats me)


Jan. 14, 2008 | 6:11 PM Antagonis says:

you cant kill liquid...

Jan. 15, 2008 | 12:12 AM carbonwater responds:

He'll still live on in a body part.

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